Ok, I don't glitch and personally I abhor the people who do so ONLINE, offline I could give a crap what you do with YOUR game that doesn't affect other people. I'm curious about the psychology of people who do cheat though. This is a legit(hah get it?) discussion and I'm not trying to start any problems I'm just curious as to what satisfaction you get out of ruining peoples enjoyment of a game they are trying to play? More often than not the only reason people ever give me is 'its fun' but thats NOT a reason thats the outcome. What is it that makes it 'fun' is the reason. I applaud your experimentation and ability to find these glitches, that takes skill and effort. :thumbup: However the use (and abuse) of these glitches, especially by those who DIDN'T find them and instead just looked them up takes little to no skill, and definatly takes NO effort (I love it when I find someone trying to get off a KFF and I can chainsaw them, or when someone trys to smoke their way into the Security rooms and falls short) Anyways, enough ranting. Please tell me why you glitch in online matches and destroy any semblence of the spirit of competition.