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Good video to watch if you've got the time on used games, totalbiscuit talks alot of sense.​
 
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He talks as if the game industry generates no revenue and it's all due to used games. Let's take a look at some more facts. These are a bit dated but illustrate the point.

Movie industry: In 2011, it had an estimated total revenue of 464 BILLION dollars (Dr. Evil laugh).
http://www.statista.com/topics/964/film/

Music Industry: 2011, a mere 5.7 Billion dollars estimated.
http://www.grabstats.com/statcategorymain.aspx?StatCatID=9

Porn Industry: While if you research the total yearly revenue of this you will get lots of mixed numbers usually between the 2-4 Billion dollar range. Here is a place to start if you so desire: http://business.time.com/2012/04/04/sex-on-the-internet-sizing-up-the-online-smut-economy/

So where does that leave the Game Industry? In 2012 it had an estimated total revenue of <drum roll>
67 Billion dollars!!!! http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...-game-industry-will-reach-82-billion-by-2017/


Now this statistic doesn't break apart used sales versus new sales and all that but it does illustrate that the game industry is doing fine. As far as digital media goes it would appear to be about the second highest at least in America. And what pisses me off about them wanting to do away with used games has nothing to do with whether or not they deserve the money (maybe they do, maybe they don't) but the intent behind with which they want the money.

I would almost guarantee that if used games sales were completed obliterated and done away with for good, games would not last longer (ie servers stay running), games would not get patched more frequently, and tech support would not be higher quality nor would they likely do away with online/multiplayer pass sales and dlcs and just give it to you instead.

They don't want the money because they want to make games better or better games, they want the money because they want the money. And I really don't know how the whole dev/publisher deal works but I could see it in my mind being very much like a musician and a record label. If anything I would want the money to go to the devs but I have a feeling it would go a lot more to the publisher. But that last part is neither here nor there.

Phew, that was a lot. Some facts there and some of my opinions. Theres arguments to be made for both sides I guess.

I leave you with a site full of game industry statistics and two in particular from it that caught my eye:
http://www.grabstats.com/statcategorymain.aspx?StatCatID=13

1. "Halo 3, the best-selling title of 2007, took in more revenue in its first day of sales than the biggest opening weekend ever for a movie ("Spider-Man 3") and the final "Harry Potter" book's first day sales" - Wow just wow. First day sales there...no used copies in that lot. Not every game does that well but come on thats a lot of money and even if not as big titles make only half that I would still say they did very good for themselves.

2. "Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent)." -Do you guys (and/or gals) buy this!? Where the heck are they at!? I'd love to meet me a nice local gamer girl!! :wink:
 
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This is the way I look at it. Make a good game and people will buy it ASAP and won't wait for it. Bioshock Infinite sold what? 4 million in 2 months? Battlefield 3 is up to like 17 million? Those are counting in this "terrible" used game market. If you start forcing everyone to buy games at full price, it will only encourages devs to become lazy and for people to pirate.

Movies and music don't have any sort of DRM and they do just fine considering a retarded monkey can pirate them.

The only way DRM is ok is if you can offer discounts to games, steam and origin constantly have 30%,40%, hell I've seen 80% off games. I will give up my first doctrine rights for a discount, but you bet your *** if I pay $60-$70 for a game it should be MINE and I should be able to do whatever I want with it.

Used games and borrowing have been around since the Atari 2600, this isn't something new and isn't crippling the gaming industry, it's actually grown quite fast. 40 years ago pong was the greatest thing ever. Now we have all the amazing games and things like Illumiroom and Oculus rift.

If you want to support the developers, by multiple copies of a game. Hell I bought 3 copies of Bioshock Infinite after playing it on my RGH early and gave them all to my friends. Do you think the used game fees will go 100% to the developer? Lol. No, Microsoft will be taking at least 50% of that.
 
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I used to trade in loads of games ,until I realised game where pretty much selling the same game twice, as well as getting my game
In trade.
I normally pay the extra,no point saving 2 pounds and giving game money (instead of the devs ect)unless it is a old game poker 2008 or Some other crap game for example..
 
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I used to trade in loads of games ,until I realised game where pretty much selling the same game twice, as well as getting my game
In trade.
I normally pay the extra,no point saving 2 pounds and giving game money (instead of the devs ect)unless it is a old game poker 2008 or Some other crap game for example..
I used to trade in games until I realized I was not getting s**t for them.
 
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I used to trade in games until I realized I was not getting s**t for them.
Yeah exactly my point.paid 44gbp for leisure suit Larry(god knows why)took it back a week later they offered me 7gbp as it was a old Game,it had been out a week.

People also fall for the "deals",trade in your two high priced games for this new one..
 
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Yeah exactly my point.paid 44gbp for leisure suit Larry(god knows why)took it back a week later they offered me 7gbp as it was a old Game,it had been out a week.

People also fall for the "deals",trade in your two high priced games for this new one..
Yup, just more money for them.
 
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I used to trade in games until I realized I was not getting s**t for them.

You didn't realize that when they offered you $10 for a game they sell used for $40? lol.

Sure you can get a Power Up Pro membership at Gamestop and get rewards. Trade in 50 games and spend $1,000 and you can get a free toy! Hell yeah! Happy Meal toys are more entertaining then their rewards.
 
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A lot more work and time is involved in selling a game yourself. Convenience ALWAYS costs more. I wonder how many people in this topic right now has paid $2 (or equivalent) for a 20oz bottled coke when a 2 liter is less or slightly more (but not cold and ready to go). Its not really that much of a stretch of comparison to the process of trading in used games in this sense. And 9 times out of 10 if you take the game back a week or two later you can get $35-40 dollars out of it. Granted thats $20-25 less than what you paid for it but if you are trading it in on a new game you get the brand new game for $20-25 keep repeating over and over and you're always getting cheap NEW games. Now a much more reasonable objection to trading in used games would be something like gamefly. But last time I checked it out (has been some time so it might be less) I think it was $25-30 a month for two games at a time (or it might have just been one idr) So it just really depends on the frequency with which you get/play/finish games.
So yes, you can get more money by selling them yourself. If you do it online then you have to worry about shipping, collecting the money and making sure people don't scam you. If you do it more locally there's arguably other obvious concerns there too. But in conclusion, yes it does suck to take a game in you have had for a couple months that you paid $60+ for and only get $20-25 but thats the way it goes. If you really don't mind all the hassle for $5-10 more money then thats a good option for you but I don't mind so much the negatives of trading in used games to somewhere, say gamestop, for the convenience of instant gratification.
 
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