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Do you think Competitiveness and KDR has made MW3 worst than what it really is? (BE HONEST)


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I realize that a lot of people here are lazy, to lazy in fact, to read a 1,500 words (it takes the average reader to read it in 5 minutes). So to make your lives easier, I have added headlines to each paragraph. This way, if you do not have the time or willpower to read the entire topic, you can scroll down, and chose what you want to read. Here's the game plan:
Think what gets on your nerves the most, as you play Modern Warfare 3. Scroll down, find the issue that bugs you, read and reply.
Introduction
Okay guys (and gals) everyone take a deep breath, chill out... and simmer down now. After
hours of up on days of reading about the hatred towards MW3, and also writing about how I hate MW3... all while continuously playing MW3, I have realized something. I am guilty of being a HYPOCRITE, as well as most of you who read this are guilty as well. It's really not THAT bad. If you think about, we really do expect to much from the Call of Duty series. Every new one that comes out, we expect it to be bigger, and better than the last. Well, they can only do so much. Although MW3 wasn't much different from MW2, it was still different. There was still a lot of changes to the game. Maybe not so much in the graphics area, but you have to admit the point streaks was a pretty good idea.

Point Streaks & Stealth Bombers
I am talking about the points streak in general, not the specific streaks. I know a lot of you even hate on the stealth bomber as a support streak, as I have done also. But... I have used it a many of times to flush out spawn trappers or campers. Honestly, when it makes me mad, is when I am on a high kill streak, but usually because I am posted up in a high traffic area. You can't really hate on that.

Death Streaks
I know we all tend to hate on the death streaks. Yes, they can piss us off, but if a guy goes 2-21, do we really need to hate on him because he pulled out C4 and got one kill on us, even though we went 32-4? No... they are there for a reason, it evens the game out. Think of it this way, you get stuck with a green kid, level 20, no prestige... his Last Stand C4 kills the guy that is one away from an Osprey, I bet you are glad he used it then, right? I use it for my "I Am Getting Pooped On" class. I don't suck at the game, I would say I am better than average, not great by any means, but above average. But I still have my "noobish" class with support and a shady death streak for when a party of try hards come in to the lobby and go all H.A.M.

Overpowered Weapons
Let's talk weapons. In my opinion, the MP7 is overpowered, but other people will say the Type95, ACR, Akimbo FMG9s or Striker is overpowered. So who is right? Who is IW supposed to listen to, to determine which weapon needs degrading? This is my point, every one wants something different. If they listened to everyone, than every gun on the game would have the power a potato gun.

Copy & Paste Controversy
I know a lot of you all, including my self, used to or still believe that this is more like MW2.5. For one, it's a sequel, which doesn't mean it automatically brings better graphics, and an entire new game. However, it was rushed and we have Activision and ourselves to blame for that. Activision pushed to get MW3 out by November, just in time for Christmas. However, we demanded the game as soon as possible. Also, with Battlefield, they needed to release it about the same time. Mainly, however, we have Activision to blame. You had IW employees not getting their promised bonuses, and the lawsuit with Vince Zampella and Jason West (two of the co-founders of IW) for secretly conspiring to create a new game company, and recruiting IW employees, while still under Activision pay roll. This put a delay on everything. Sledgehammer Games, and Raven Software didn't have a lot of time to develop the extraordinary game that we had all imagined. You have to give them credit, they did what they could, under the little time given. As humans, we are greedy. If you could make millions or even billions doing the same thing, would you really change much? Regardless of self greed, they have came out with a great series, one that will always be in the gaming history books, one that we will always play.

Lag & Lag Compensation
In regards to Lag and Lag Compensation, no need to get outraged. You are using the internet, there will always going to be lag. No matter what game you play, there will always be lag online. Call of Duty is NOT the only game with lag issues. You have people all over the world, trying to play online. Some of which can afford, or have the availability to 50+ Mbps. What about the others who can only afford, or live in a rural area, with only 1.5 Mbps speed. Are they supposed to suffer? Lag Compensation is there for a reason, it's to make things as fair as POSSIBLE. Just because it isn't the greatest now, doesn't mean it will always be the same. Right now the developers are busy fixing glitches, hackers, cheaters and creating new DLC. We are asking to much at once. Trust me, I get aggravated at it too, I have even made a topic about it. Most people who say the suffer from it, it never even affects them. We tend to get to competitive, and want to blame the game when we have a bad game, or if someone is just plainly better than us. The best thing we can do, is to push for dedicated servers.


Call of Duty Elite
In case you all didn't notice, this is the first time of Elite. Just like any 1.0 version, there are going to be flaws, there are going to be issues that need to be ironed out. Even though Elite really doesn't have anything to do with the actual game play, people still complain about as if they payed $60 for it. News flash people, it was and still is FREE for the basics. As we have all heard, a lot of people think Elite Premium was a waste. If you base it of the site alone, the Premium isn't that great. Although, you do get the maps before anyone else, and at a discounted price. For those who think the maps suck, have some patience, only 43% of the DLC has been released. I like Elite, yes it needs some work done, but remember, it's the first time they have ever tried anything like this. Besides, how many other FPS games offer online stats? I'm pretty sure Halo's and Battlefield's version of "Elite" is nothing close to great.

The Dream of Perfectionism
First off, and for most, many people had their expectations set way to high for a sequel. This game in particular. Let's face it, Modern Warfare 3 really isn't that bad. As we are humans, we tend to exaggerate. With this being "Call of Duty", and they competitive gaming that has aspired with in us, we tend to expect to much. When you stop expecting games to be perfect, you can enjoy games for how they are. In the game creators eyes, they have no fear in perfection, because they know they will never reach it. As long as us, the "gamers" stop nickering at all the little things, until us, the "gamers" focus on the major issues, and all come to an agreement on the major issues, they won't listen to us. You won't see the patches we, the "gamers" desire. So, the next time you go tweet about how some one shot you with a shotgun, or used to fully automatic pistols to kill you, think about it before you post it. You are only causing the creators to ignore us.

Done with Call of Duty
I know a lot of people always say, "This is the last Call of Duty game I will ever play, I'm not buying the next one"

For real... is it really? How many of you all said that with Black Ops? Besides, what first person shooter are you going to play instead? I dare you to try rushing like you do on CoD while playing Battlefield, you are just going to get smoked. What other games do you play for 24-240+ hours... Call of Juarez, Dreamkiller, Homefront, Tom Clancy??? You might get close to playing Halo or Battlefield for that many hours, but guess what, them games aren't perfect either.

To Make it Better
We can take a stand, not by not playing the game, or black outs, that's just retarded. We should come together as a community, decide on what we want fixed. By eliminating the minor or irreparable issues, we can come forth with the major issues, that can actually make the game better. As I said before, these issues can't be a lot of the same that contradict each other, they have to be in mass agreement.

Conclusion
We all must admit, we have been demanding perfection, we say the game is worse than what it really is. Think about it, it's really not a bad game. Don't let your competitiveness blind you from enjoying a game. As Modern Warfare 3 is not the best Call of Duty game in most opinions, it's still a great game. It's fun, it's the newest of them all, it's enjoyable if you can just get it in your head that it's NOT PERFECT. So clear your head, know that it is what it is, and have fun playing. If it helps, I had some Army stuff to do for about 8 days, so I wasn't able to play at all. After returning from an 8 day break, I found that MW3 was more enjoyable. So if you are like me, and played every day with frustration, put the game down for a couple of days, and come back. Otherwise, play something else.

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The hate that Call of Duty has generated comes to down to the unrealistic exceptions people have. I think most people have this perception that a sequel means better graphics, or a complete re-haul of the game. Infinity Ward and Treyarch aren't the only game designers to do a "copy & paste".
 
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At the end of the day its a frigging Video Game, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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At the end of the day its a frigging Video Game, nothing more, nothing less.
But yet people still come here to complain, or get frustrated while playing it. My point is, it's not as near as bad as what most people say. Most of the people who still complain about it, are still playing it.
 
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Tbh I didn't read the whole post. But the poll options are dumb. There is no option to say that I enjoy the game. The first one asks if kdr ruins my game and the second option says the game is no fun....

KDR doesn't ruin the game for me. Idc about kdr and I do enjoy the game.
 
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I cant even stand to play this game for 10 minutes, all it is death by bullsh^t (Mk14,Mp7,Akimbo Fmgs) those being the biggest of them all. Not to mention lag compensation blows me hard in this game, also hate when the host dashboards. I used to have at least a day played a week, now its like 2 hours. That's my rant*
 
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Tbh I didn't read the whole post. But the poll options are dumb. There is no option to say that I enjoy the game. The first one asks if kdr ruins my game and the second option says the game is no fun....
KDR doesn't ruin the game for me. Idc about kdr and I do enjoy the game.
I decided to put a poll there for people who are to lazy to read, enough said....

I cant even stand to play this game for 10 minutes, all it is death by bullsh^t (Mk14,Mp7,Akimbo Fmgs) those being the biggest of them all. Not to mention lag compensation blows me hard in this game, also hate when the host dashboards. I used to have at least a day played a week, now its like 2 hours. That's my rant*
Not sure if you read the entire topic, but... You say MK14, MP7, FMG9s, while others say ACR, Type95, Striker. If you read the topic, you would have seen that I said you can't have everyone saying every gun is overpowered. If there are 6 guns that are overpowered, than wouldn't everything be even?

Lag Compensation... it's lag. There isn't much you can do about it. It's there so people with very high speed internet, or the host, does not get an advantage. It is primarily for the host, so there is no more host advantage. This was also noted in the topic. EVERYONE, says they hurt from it, so if EVERYONE hurts from it, then doesn't that make it an even playing field? However, since only ONE person is host per game, than usually only ONE person is getting the affects of lag compensation.
 
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Enjoyed reading it i play for me and me only i overcome the little things in the game and just have fun playing it. If your so concerned with changing the game or making it just to tailor your needs then stay in school and get a degree in computer science and the world is yours but until then quit complaining pick up your controller and have fun....i mean it is just a game.
 
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MW3 is the best !
 
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Enjoyed reading it i play for me and me only i overcome the little things in the game and just have fun playing it. If your so concerned with changing the game or making it just to tailor your needs then stay in school and get a degree in computer science and the world is yours but until then quit complaining pick up your controller and have fun....i mean it is just a game.
Thank you. That is basically what I am trying to say. The game really isn't that bad. You can hate it, or play it. Doing both at the same time makes it unbearable.
 
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I agree with you on some things, What you said about the overpowered weapons, People complain about all those overpowered guns, When at the end those are the only ones people use, Or at least the ones who almost every player uses, That makes the game even, There is no that one overpowered gun who would make you win every gunfight on this game, There are a lot, Which makes it, at least in my opinion, even.

As for the lag compenstion, I agree 100% with what you said, I would love to see anyone playing a game with the normal lag, Like I used to play Black Ops, And still, I managed to go positive and be pretty good at the game (I would always have a 2 bar connection, 3 sometimes,), The host had such a huge advantage on that game, It was incredebly unfair.
What they made in MW3 was a pretty fair thing to do, The host had such a huge advantage on previous Call Of Duty games, It wasn't fair at all, and it's not like someone gets host every game, It only affects the host, and makes everything even.

The game is playable, and pretty entertaining for me, When I stop caring so much for it's issues and just play the game to have some fun, It's pretty damn nice =p.
 
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Agreed on Basically Everything that was placed in that one Post.
 
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Big deal..?
The warning you just received, that's the big deal. If you're not going to post anything worthy, don't post at all.

I never cared for the K/D ratio and I never will. I play the game a lot more on PC than I do on the 360 and my K/D is positive. Because I like to be annoying and harass people, I strive for a positive result because if I go negative, I get hounded for a good hour. Not that I can't take the heat, but it gets annoying when all you hear is Aussies yelling stupid things into a headset.

People hate on MW3 because they hate on COD. It's like a generic response, you hate what you're not good at. You hate what made you angry. You hate simply because your friend hates it. Whatever the excuse, let them have their cake.

I can tell you like the game and I don't care. Why? Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Call of Duty pisses me off, but I still play the damn game! If other FPS games could be this fun and exciting online, then maybe I might spend countless hours playing those as well.
 
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This sure does feel like 1st grade again.
 
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<snip> Valuable Points <snip>
The game is playable, and pretty entertaining for me, When I stop caring so much for it's issues and just play the game to have some fun, It's pretty damn nice =p.


Thank you for actually taking the time and reading my entire topic. You couldn't be more correct when saying "People complain about all those overpowered guns, When at the end those are the only ones people use"

People that usually use the MP7, think the ACR or Type95 is overpowered, and vice versa. It's the greed of competitiveness. It's not that people want a balanced game, they want it unbalanced where they have a constant advantage. Once people finally realize that their favorite gun, let's say the ACR, is neither overpowered nor under powered to the MP7 or Type95, they will enjoy the game.

Also, once I realized the issues weren't really that big of deal, or even an issue for that matter, the game became more entertaining for me. Showing stats and KDR has ruined the game, more than anything else in the entire CoD series. People worry more about numbers, that no one but them selves care about. Once I stopped caring about KDR, the game was fun!​

You said you agreed with "some" things, may I ask, what did you not agree with?

Agreed on Basically Everything that was placed in that one Post.

Thanks, bro. What did you not agree with?


(1)People hate on MW3 because they hate on COD. It's like a generic response, you hate what you're not good at. You hate what made you angry. You hate simply because your friend hates it. Whatever the excuse, let them have their cake.
(2)I can tell you like the game and I don't care. Why? Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Call of Duty pisses me off, but I still play the damn game! If other FPS games could be this fun and exciting online, then maybe I might spend countless hours playing those as well.

1.) I agree, mostly. Some people hate it because they lack the skills, other people hate it because they have to much passion for a win and good KDR. Then, like you said, you have people that just hop on the fan wagon, and go with the flow.

2.) You are correct, I do like the game. Even though for the longest time, I told my self, my friends, and even my wife that I hate this game. It took a while, but it finally dawned on me, if I hate the game so much, why do I play it all the time? I realized after you just give up on complaining, and stop reading/listening to other people cry, it's actually fun. Besides, the issues aren't that bad. It could be worse, they could always bring back Danger Close and One Man Army.
 
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At the end of the day its a frigging Video Game, nothing more, nothing less.
The time I put in is very real.when you can give me that back then it wont be a game .I know the game sucks beacuse of all the bs listed
In the OP .

I like the game and when it works it is a good game but more often than not up pops some re god diculas bs..
 
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I like the game and when it works it is a good game but more often than not up pops some re god diculas bs..

That's what makes it interesting. Try seeing it more as... overbearing challenging factors. :wink:
 
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The hate that Call of Duty has generated comes to down to the unrealistic exceptions people have. I think most people have this perception that a sequel means better graphics, or a complete re-haul of the game. Infinity Ward and Treyarch aren't the only game designers to do a "copy & paste".
 
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The hate that Call of Duty has generated comes to down to the unrealistic exceptions people have. I think most people have this perception that a sequel means better graphics, or a complete re-haul of the game. Infinity Ward and Treyarch aren't the only game designers to do a "copy & paste".

That is an exemplary and valuable point you have there. I will add that to the OP, and give you credit.
 
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That is an exemplary and valuable point you have there. I will add that to the OP, and give you credit.
Awsome! Thanks, Nice thread by the way. Infinity Ward and Treyarch deserve more respect than they have been getting lately.
 
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Awsome! Thanks, Nice thread by the way. Infinity Ward and Treyarch deserve more respect than they have been getting lately.
No problem, it was a hell of a point. And you are exactly correct. Infinity Ward and Treyarch have dealt with so much negativity on games that were actually pretty great. It's ironic though, how people talk down on MW3, and even how they did on Black Ops, but yet... they still come to these forums and talk about it.
 
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