Regardless of the console, If you make a SS Patched disc in attempt to go on xbox live without using hotswap, you need to flash the DVD drive. correct? From what i've read thats what i concluded. But one would think that if you patch the security sector, its like making it recognizable as a normal off the shelf game. And flashing the drive is removing microsofts security measures, so an SS Patch wouldn't be necessary. I think i just confused myself... anyway if you managed to follow, please give your word.