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Okay So this is the PSU - 650 Watt CORSAIR Gaming Power Supply Unit


I am ware currently I would not be able to overclock the PC or add a second of third graphics card with this PSU

here are the PC Specs

Intel Core i7 4790K 4GHz TURBO 4.4 GHZ Quad Core Processor
16GB Memory DDR3 1866 Mhz Corsair
2000GB SATA 3 hard drive + 240 GB Sata SSD
NVIDIA GEFORCE 980 GTX 4GB DDR5 Graphics card
Gigabyte Z97X GAMING 3 USB 3.0 motherboard SLi AND CROSSFIRE READY
24 Speed DVD-RW Dual Layer Multi-Format
300mbps Wireless N Adapter
Stylish ZALMAN Z11 PLUS USB 3 CASE


Just for playing games with one graphics card currently would it be fine? I am planning to upgrade in a couple of months time.
 
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Okay So this is the PSU - 650 Watt CORSAIR Gaming Power Supply Unit


I am ware currently I would not be able to overclock the PC or add a second of third graphics card with this PSU

here are the PC Specs

Intel Core i7 4790K 4GHz TURBO 4.4 GHZ Quad Core Processor
16GB Memory DDR3 1866 Mhz Corsair
2000GB SATA 3 hard drive + 240 GB Sata SSD
NVIDIA GEFORCE 980 GTX 4GB DDR5 Graphics card
Gigabyte Z97X GAMING 3 USB 3.0 motherboard SLi AND CROSSFIRE READY
24 Speed DVD-RW Dual Layer Multi-Format
300mbps Wireless N Adapter
Stylish ZALMAN Z11 PLUS USB 3 CASE


Just for playing games with one graphics card currently would it be fine? I am planning to upgrade in a couple of months time.
I am pretty sure you can have 2 GPUs with a 650W PSU having these specs. It's a nice build man. I am also sure that 2 980s and an i7 would be around 550 watts so don't worry.
 
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I am pretty sure you can have 2 GPUs with a 650W PSU having these specs. It's a nice build man. I am also sure that 2 980s and an i7 would be around 550 watts so don't worry.
Really? I've been told that this "No, because you're looking at a pre-built and I can guarantee it's one of the horrible quality Corsair PSUs. RM650"
 
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Really? I've been told that this "No, because you're looking at a pre-built and I can guarantee it's one of the horrible quality Corsair PSUs. RM650"
Well yes, it's not a great PSU but wattage doesn't matter quality wise, watts are watts.

I don' recommend getting a pre-built machine. It's really easy to build your own and you'll save a lot of money.

Here's a tutorial, step-by-step, on how to build a computer: http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-build-a-pc-tutorial-videos-updated-oct-2014.1064750/

What's your maximum budget? I'll create a part list for you. I'm under the assumption you've not purchased the PC yet, or have you?
 
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Well yes, it's not a great PSU but wattage doesn't matter quality wise, watts are watts.

I don' recommend getting a pre-built machine. It's really easy to build your own and you'll save a lot of money.

Here's a tutorial, step-by-step, on how to build a computer: http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-build-a-pc-tutorial-videos-updated-oct-2014.1064750/

What's your maximum budget? I'll create a part list for you. I'm under the assumption you've not purchased the PC yet, or have you?


Well this is the PC I decided to build
https://goo.gl/ggjBrY

This is the PC I saw on Ebay almost the same
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161638948036?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
 
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Really? I've been told that this "No, because you're looking at a pre-built and I can guarantee it's one of the horrible quality Corsair PSUs. RM650"
Actually, that's a blatant lie. You've not posted the end of the quote. I actually asked if it was an RM650 by any chance. Wattage and quality of a unit are completely different things. You could get a 450W PSU that's better than a 1kw PSU.

OP-You wasted money, have fun.

L Legless 650W unit can power a 4790k and SLI 970s but it's not exactly safe, 750W is safer and a better option the majority of the time.
 
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Well yes, it's not a great PSU but wattage doesn't matter quality wise, watts are watts.
One thing to keep in mind is that while yes, watts are watts, clean power is better than dirty power. A poor quality PSU may give a large amount of power but depending on the components used, it can do more harm than good. It can actually reduce the life of every component connected to it.

That being said, its my opinion the very last place in ANY build you want to cut corners on is the PSU, PERIOD.

Also, both Sanctorum and Legless are correct in that a 650 will power a 980. I tend to lean more with Sanctorum ONLY because i prefer to go well over whats needed because PSUs tend to be much more efficient the further away from their peak power they operate at, that and it leaves room for upgrades. If you do cable management properly, the last thing you want to do is change out your PSU when you do upgrades in other places, its a PITA.


This is obviously just my 2 dimes and a quarter.
 
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One thing to keep in mind is that while yes, watts are watts, clean power is better than dirty power. A poor quality PSU may give a large amount of power but depending on the components used, it can do more harm than good. It can actually reduce the life of every component connected to it.

That being said, its my opinion the very last place in ANY build you want to cut corners on is the PSU, PERIOD.

Also, both Sanctorum and Legless are correct in that a 650 will power a 980. I tend to lean more with Sanctorum ONLY because i prefer to go well over whats needed because PSUs tend to be much more efficient the further away from their peak power they operate at, that and it leaves room for upgrades. If you do cable management properly, the last thing you want to do is change out your PSU when you do upgrades in other places, its a PITA.


This is obviously just my 2 dimes and a quarter.
I know, I was just saying it suffices. :smile:
 
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For that budget I would rather recommend something like this its also got a nice red black color scheme.

Notes :
June 2 the Intel Broadwell CPU's come out if you can wait till then the i5 Broadwell will be a slightly better option

June 18-25 the AMD Radeon 390X comes out which is going to be the strongest single GPU on the market and a single 390X would be a better deal than getting dual 290X.

You could go with CF 8GB 290X
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=146&sort=a8&page=1&r=8192


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X41 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£78.65 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£97.25 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£40.70 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£40.70 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£79.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.47 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Direct CU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£227.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Direct CU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£227.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case (£111.84 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex Gold 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1220.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-15 22:18 BST+0100
 
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For that budget I would rather recommend something like this its also got a nice red black color scheme.

Notes :
June 2 the Intel Broadwell CPU's come out if you can wait till then the i5 Broadwell will be a slightly better option
June 18-25 the AMD Radeon 390X comes out which is going to be the strongest single GPU on the market and a single 390X would be a better deal than getting dual 290X.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X41 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£78.65 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£97.25 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£40.70 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£40.70 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£79.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.47 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Direct CU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£227.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Direct CU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£227.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case (£111.84 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex Gold 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1220.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-15 22:18 BST+0100
Isn't the 390x not just a re-branded, slighly improved, 290x? If so then it wouldn't beat the 970 surely. In terms of price/performance. It'd probably be cheaper to get SLI 970s than a single 390x.
 
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Isn't the 390x not just a re-branded, slighly improved, 290x? If so then it wouldn't beat the 970 surely.
No.

The 300 series are new cards and the 290X already beats the 970 on intense games like even GTA which was a gameworks game intentionally designed to limit AMD cards

Unless you turn down settings the crap bandwidth kills the 970 people who have the 970 complain about not being able to use advanced settings or use MSAA over 2x on GTA without taking performance hits.

The 390X is a high end card that will cost probably over $600 and is made to compete with the 980 TI (which is an overclocked unlocked Titan X with only 6gb ram).

Titan X > 980 > 290 > 970

But in dual card configs

Titan X > 290X > 980 > 970 (Nvidia has **** gpu scaling the SLI Titan X hardly beats CF 8GB 290X at 4k.)

The 390X is more powerful than a Titan X.

Compared to the 290X the 390X has

45% more GCN cores
1.2 archtecture over 1.1 which has about 40% more efficient bandwidth management (and slight core improvements but nothing magical)

Memory performance is 85% higher than the 290X
640GB/s Bandwidth vs 350GB/s fo

Estimated Compute Performance 154% core improvement over the 290X
8.6 Tflops vs 5.6 Tflops

To put this in perspective if we don't even count the increased bandwidth of the 390X it should be similar to the Titan X in performance when we factor in the 640gb/s bandwidth of the 390x vs the 330gb/s on the Titan X its pretty laughable.

The 380 OEM version is a rebranded 285 (which was a 1.2 archtecture card btw) with more vram just the OEM models are rebrands and there is no oem 390X yet. Internet forums were going full retard over this which led to sites like pcgamer thinking the 300 series was all rebrands.

OEM versions of cards are not the same as the regular line Nvidia and AMD both do OEM cards to what companies like HP ask for.
 
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No.

The 300 series are new cards and the 290X already beats the 970 on intense games like even GTA which was a gameworks games (unless you turn down settings the crap bandwidth kills the 970).

Titan X > 980 > 290 > 970

But in dual card configs

Titan X > 290X > 980 > 970 (Nvidia has **** gpu scaling the SLI Titan X hardly beats CF 8GB 290X at 4k.)

The 390X is more powerful than a Titan X.

Compared to the 290X the 390X has

45% more GCN cores
1.2 archtecture over 1.1 which has about 40% more efficient bandwidth management (and slight core improvements but nothing magical)

Memory performance is 85% higher than the 290X
640GB/s Bandwidth vs 350GB/s fo

Estimated Compute Performance 154% core improvement over the 290X
8.6 Tflops vs 5.6 Tflops

To put this in perspective if we don't even count the increased bandwidth of the 390X it should be similar to the Titan X in performance when we factor in the 640gb/s bandwidth of the 390x vs the 330gb/s on the Titan X its pretty laughable.

The 380 OEM version is a rebranded 285 (which was a 1.2 archtecture card btw) with more vram just the OEM models are rebrands and there is no oem 390X yet. Internet forums were going full retard over this which led to sites like pcgamer thinking the 300 series was all rebrands.

OEM versions of cards are not the same as the regular line Nvidia and AMD both do OEM cards to what companies like HP ask for.
Benchmarks show that the 970 out-performs the 290x in most games. As a consumer, I'd feel obliged to choose that over the 290x as nothing else other than FPS would be relevant to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Benchmarks show that the 970 out-performs the 290x in most games. As a consumer, I'd feel obliged to choose that over the 290x as nothing else other than FPS would be relevant to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Thanks for clarifying.
Not on games maxed out.

It wins on low resolutions and low settings it gets utterly destroyed when your using games on intense situations like turning up AA.

Benchmarks have always been biased towards Nvidia because they often pay many of the big people to do benchmarks favoring them so if they benchmark GTA they may instead of fully maxing the game turn down settings like MSAA or whatever.

Its rare to see many benchmarks say max settings when comparing the 970 to the 290X. Post processing effects kill the 970.

Check the 8gb 290X CF compared to SLI Titan X and see how close it is at 4k as well.
http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/4k-gaming-benchmarks-titan-x-vs-290x-vs-980.1308505/
 
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Not on games maxed out.

It wins on low resolutions and low settings it gets utterly destroyed when your using games on intense situations like turning up AA.

Benchmarks have always been biased towards Nvidia because they often pay many of the big people to do benchmarks favoring them so if they benchmark GTA they may instead of fully maxing the game turn down settings like MSAA or whatever.

Its rare to see many benchmarks say max settings when comparing the 970 to the 290X. Post processing effects kill the 970.

Check the 8gb 290X CF compared to SLI Titan X and see how close it is at 4k as well.
http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/4k-gaming-benchmarks-titan-x-vs-290x-vs-980.1308505/
Thanks for the help, I don't want to derail this thread furthermore.
 
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No.

The 300 series are new cards and the 290X already beats the 970 on intense games like even GTA which was a gameworks game intentionally designed to limit AMD cards

Unless you turn down settings the crap bandwidth kills the 970 people who have the 970 complain about not being able to use advanced settings or use MSAA over 2x on GTA without taking performance hits.

The 390X is a high end card that will cost probably over $600 and is made to compete with the 980 TI (which is an overclocked unlocked Titan X with only 6gb ram).

Titan X > 980 > 290 > 970

But in dual card configs

Titan X > 290X > 980 > 970 (Nvidia has **** gpu scaling the SLI Titan X hardly beats CF 8GB 290X at 4k.)

The 390X is more powerful than a Titan X.

Compared to the 290X the 390X has

45% more GCN cores
1.2 archtecture over 1.1 which has about 40% more efficient bandwidth management (and slight core improvements but nothing magical)

Memory performance is 85% higher than the 290X
640GB/s Bandwidth vs 350GB/s fo

Estimated Compute Performance 154% core improvement over the 290X
8.6 Tflops vs 5.6 Tflops

To put this in perspective if we don't even count the increased bandwidth of the 390X it should be similar to the Titan X in performance when we factor in the 640gb/s bandwidth of the 390x vs the 330gb/s on the Titan X its pretty laughable.

The 380 OEM version is a rebranded 285 (which was a 1.2 archtecture card btw) with more vram just the OEM models are rebrands and there is no oem 390X yet. Internet forums were going full retard over this which led to sites like pcgamer thinking the 300 series was all rebrands.

OEM versions of cards are not the same as the regular line Nvidia and AMD both do OEM cards to what companies like HP ask for.
That's just not true at all. A simple search will find benchmarks that completely prove your claims false;
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A 4GB 290X will have a larger performance improvement going from 1080p, to 1440p or 4k than the 970, but still not enough to out-perform the 970 significantly. In fact, the 970 still pulls ahead at higher resolutions in some cases.

Stop claiming that the 390x is more powerful than a Titan X. Do you own either? No. Has the 390x even been released yet? No. The GPU could be a flop, it could be terrible, you don't know so stop making false claims with no actual proof. Don't pretend like you have proof either, because you don't, the card hasn't been released or benchmarked yet. No leaks have even been confirmed. As for t
 
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That's just not true at all. A simple search will find benchmarks that mpletely prove your claims false;

I am also guessing they are not using the AMD GTA drivers in any of those benchmarks? Of course not almost all ****** review sites use old AMD drivers and latest Nvidia drivers.

That game debate is complete bulls*** first of all its setting say very high (meaning no AA and not maxed), Second of all its claiming the 290X to get 50 FPS when the 290X can max out game full settings on a 6350/i5 4460.


Second link looks like a legit chart showing both cards neck & neck however its not even fully maxed and less than 1 FPS difference which I could assume they are using a reference 290 (Which is bottlenecked by heat) as well as not turning to higher MSAA & old drivers.

Third link pretty much same as before shows 1-2 fps difference and its low MSAA and its no advanced settings on.

Probably old drivers too. Low end crappy benchmarking sites always have bias towards Nvidia.


290X is better in GTA V
According to these sites which used the latest drivers on all cards

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,5.html
http://www.eteknix.com/gta-v-gpu-performance-review/3/
http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page3.html

Show me one site benchmarking GTA on 15.4 or later drivers for AMD and show me the 970 winning.

If they benchmarks like a Sapphire 290X Tri-X the benches would even more favor the 290X (which is under $300)

The 970 never beats the 290X unless u cheat by using old drivers. People doing AMD benches on drives from 18 years ago are irrelevant. Its known fact most small review sites have bias against AMD.

The 970 is a pathetically **** card for its price bracket that reviewers from small sites were praising about how good it was and lying to you about the specs and Nvidia is still lying about the bandwidth of the card on the specs page (only fixed ROPS)

Stop claiming that the 390x is more powerful than a Titan X. Do you own either? No. Has the 390x even been released yet? No. The GPU could be a flop, it could be terrible, you don't know so stop making false claims with no actual proof. Don't pretend like you have proof either, because you don't, the card hasn't been released or benchmarked yet. No leaks have even been confirmed. As for t
We know the specs of the card its already proven to be better than a Titan just on the specs of the card we have seen 1.2 archtecture and we see 45% more cores than the 290X the only thing we haven't seen is HBM memory.


Everyone online likes making fun of AMD cards and saying **** like hot cards but does anyone remember the 400 series?

And did anyone compare 780 ti to 290X it was like 10w power consumption less and non reference models were comparable temps and good coolers like Sapphire Vapor-X/Tri-X keep the card as cool as a 970.

No one mentions how on things like the Titan X you melt your ram
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I also frequent various forums with close friends who personally have used many of these other cards and people always have the same reaction when they use AMD cards for first time every time I see a benchmark if it doesn't tell me what driver the cards use I say its full of **** right away.

(You know somethings up when the 780 non ti beats the 290x and it becomes easy to see that your benchmark is propaganda.)
 
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I am also guessing they are not using the AMD GTA drivers in any of those benchmarks? Of course not almost all ****** review sites use old AMD drivers and latest Nvidia drivers.

That game debate is complete bulls*** first of all its setting say very high (meaning no AA and not maxed), Second of all its claiming the 290X to get 50 FPS when the 290X can max out game full settings on a 6350/i5 4460.


Second link looks like a legit chart showing both cards neck & neck however its not even fully maxed and less than 1 FPS difference which I could assume they are using a reference 290 (Which is bottlenecked by heat) as well as not turning to higher MSAA & old drivers.

Third link pretty much same as before shows 1-2 fps difference and its low MSAA and its no advanced settings on.

Probably old drivers too. Low end crappy benchmarking sites always have bias towards Nvidia.


290X is better in GTA V
According to these sites which used the latest drivers on all cards

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,5.html
http://www.eteknix.com/gta-v-gpu-performance-review/3/
http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page3.html

Show me one site benchmarking GTA on 15.4 or later drivers for AMD and show me the 970 winning.

If they benchmarks like a Sapphire 290X Tri-X the benches would even more favor the 290X (which is under $300)

The 970 never beats the 290X unless u cheat by using old drivers. People doing AMD benches on drives from 18 years ago are irrelevant. Its known fact most small review sites have bias against AMD.

The 970 is a pathetically **** card for its price bracket that reviewers from small sites were praising about how good it was and lying to you about the specs and Nvidia is still lying about the bandwidth of the card on the specs page (only fixed ROPS)


We know the specs of the card its already proven to be better than a Titan just on the specs of the card we have seen 1.2 archtecture and we see 45% more cores than the 290X the only thing we haven't seen is HBM memory.


Everyone online likes making fun of AMD cards and saying **** like hot cards but does anyone remember the 400 series?

And did anyone compare 780 ti to 290X it was like 10w power consumption less and non reference models were comparable temps and good coolers like Sapphire Vapor-X/Tri-X keep the card as cool as a 970.

No one mentions how on things like the Titan X you melt your ram
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I also frequent various forums with close friends who personally have used many of these other cards and people always have the same reaction when they use AMD cards for first time every time I see a benchmark if it doesn't tell me what driver the cards use I say its full of **** right away.

(You know somethings up when the 780 non ti beats the 290x and it becomes easy to see that your benchmark is propaganda.)
Of course you're going to 'disagree' with actual evidence of the 970 beating the 290x because you know better than thousands of other people, right? Stop being a fan boy, it's pathetic.
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But, of course, 5 benchmarks aren't going to be enough are they? Must be some flaw because you just have to be right? I know the first one doesn't show a 970, but it does show a reference 980 out-performing an 8GB 290x at 4k, and the 970 performs almost on par with a 980. In fact, an aftermarket 970 with a decent overclock will out-perform the reference 980. The 970 out-performs the 290x on many occasions actually, you're just being a fan boy. Of course, the benchmarkers are wrong aren't they, they have to be doing these 'tricks' to fool the public because they have a "bias", right? smh. The GTX 970 is not a pathetic card, regardless of it's price. It out-performs the 290 and 290x. You can argue that the AMD cards are cheaper all you want, but the 970 out-performs them on most occasions, performs cooler and quieter and is much newer. It also doesn't matter how little or large the performance gap between the 290x and 970 is, you claimed the 290x out-performed the 970 in GTA V, it doesn't. We have no idea if the 390x will out-perform a Titan X because no one has benchmarked a 390x yet. That's like me saying have you heard about the new Ford Focus coming out in 3 years? It's going to be faster than a Lamborghini. I mean, no one has the car yet but it's already been proven. No one makes fun of AMD temps, people simply point out AMD cards run hotter, because they do, and then AMD fan boys like yourselves jump down our necks claiming how heat isn't an issue and **** like that. We're not claiming they're that hot or that it's an issue, we're simply informing people that AMD cards run hotter, because it's a fact, they do, some people don't like that. I know people who have bought Nvidia cards before, even though they knew AMD was a better choice because they wanted the cooler GPU. No one was talking about the Titan X, but of course, as an AMD fan boy, you're going to use anything you can right? I personally wouldn't touch a Titan X without a custom loop. I know that **** runs hot. Unlike you, I'm not a fan boy. For all we know, the 390x could be a jaw dropping card and I tend to tell people(recently anyway) to hold off on upgrades and building so that they can see what the 300 series are like but we literally can't know enough until they're released. Cost could be moronic. The 390 could be $800 and the 390x could be $1k for all we know. Don't claim that everyone who uses AMD cards loves them straight away. I've owned several AMD cards and was going to get XFire 390(x)'s, but AMD took too long and I ended up grabbing SLI 970s. No issues with my 970s, perform as well as they should. Of course, you say it's full of ****. You look for any excuse to ignore facts because you're simply being a fanboy.
 
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Of course you're going to 'disagree' with actual evidence of the 970 beating the 290x because you know better than thousands of other people, right? Stop being a fan boy, it's pathetic

No its an undeniable fact the 290X is stronger than a 970.

But, of course, 5 benchmarks aren't going to be enough are they? Must be some flaw because you just have to be right? I know the first one doesn't show a 970, but it does show a reference 980 out-performing an 8GB 290x at 4k, and the 970 performs almost on par with a 980
The 970 is not almost on par with the 980 on maxed out settings the the 8gb 290X is not going to be benefiting from the 8gb ram on a single card the bandwidth is too low (same issue Titan has). I never said the 980 was weaker than the 290X I know the 980 is a stronger card (however its twice as expensive.)

Stop showing benchmarks without linking source that do not tell me what drivers they use. Every single benchmark that shows the 970 beating the 290X uses old drivers on the 970 that is a fact there has not been one benchmark for GTA showing the 970 beating the 290X on the latest drivers for both cards. The 980 yes its a stronger single card than the 290X and it does win but the 970 does not win.

However the 8GB 290X in Crossfire does beat the 980 in SLI at 4k and considering the 8gb 290X is only $350 vs the $500 for the 980 its not much difference in price.

The 8GB 290X was made for CF and 4k gaming in mind.
http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/4k-gaming-benchmarks-titan-x-vs-290x-vs-980.1308505/

Its almost comparable to the Titan.

The 390X may make good use of the 8GB vram as its got 640GBP/s bandwidth.


In fact, an aftermarket 970 with a decent overclock will out-perform the reference 980. The 970 out-performs the 290x on many occasions actually, you're just being a fan boy. Of course, the benchmarkers are wrong aren't they, they have to be doing these 'tricks' to fool the public because they have a "bias", right?
Show me one single benchmark on 15.4 drivers where the 970 beats the 290X because its over 10% slower in GTA V which is a game works game.

smh. The GTX 970 is not a pathetic card, regardless of it's price. It out-performs the 290 and 290x.
Its comparable to the 290 not the 290X.

You can argue that the AMD cards are cheaper all you want, but the 970 out-performs them on most occasions, performs cooler and quieter and is much newer.
Newer is actually irrelevant and infact Radeon 7000 series cards (GCN 1.0+) all support DX12 Teir 3 while Maxwell v2 does not. Yes that is right an old 7850 will support more DX12 features than a GTX Titan X.

The 900 series does support most DX12 features however the 900 series is not DX12 Tier 3 like even the 7000 series from AMD was.
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It also doesn't matter how little or large the performance gap between the 290x and 970 is, you claimed the 290x out-performed the 970 in GTA V, it doesn't. We have no idea if the 390x will out-perform a Titan X because no one has benchmarked a 390x yet. That's like me saying have you heard about the new Ford Focus coming out in 3 years? It's going to be faster than a Lamborghini. I mean, no one has the car yet but it's already been proven. No one makes fun of AMD temps, people simply point out AMD cards run hotter, because they do, and then AMD fan boys like yourselves jump down our necks claiming how heat isn't an issue and **** like that. We're not claiming they're that hot or that it's an issue, we're simply informing people that AMD cards run hotter, because it's a fact, they do, some people don't like that. I know people who have bought Nvidia cards before, even though they knew AMD was a better choice because they wanted the cooler GPU. No one was talking about the Titan X, but of course, as an AMD fan boy, you're going to use anything you can right? I personally wouldn't touch a Titan X without a custom loop. I know that **** runs hot. Unlike you, I'm not a fan boy. For all we know, the 390x could be a jaw dropping card and I tend to tell people(recently anyway) to hold off on upgrades and building so that they can see what the 300 series are like but we literally can't know enough until they're released. Cost could be moronic. The 390 could be $800 and the 390x could be $1k for all we know. Don't claim that everyone who uses AMD cards loves them straight away. I've owned several AMD cards and was going to get XFire 390(x)'s, but AMD took too long and I ended up grabbing SLI 970s. No issues with my 970s, perform as well as they should. Of course, you say it's full of ****. You look for any excuse to ignore facts because you're simply being a fanboy.
I linked benchmarks showing on 15.4 drivers the 290X destroys the 970. Yes if u use GTA drivers on a 970 and no drivers on the 290X the 970 will win hell if u wanna go by that logic my 260X beats a 780ti if we use 1 year old drivers with no profiles for your nvidia card.

Can you link me just one benchmark showing 1080p all settings maxed (even AA off) with the 970 beating the 290X while both are on GTA drivers or newer?

There is not a single benchmark showing it. Even in this game works game (which we all know was designed to make games run worse on Intel/AMD GPU's.

Hell in Project cars people on 280X were maxing game out at 1440p then they released an update forcing physx and the 290x did just as good as the 270X which were comparable to a GTX 760 because it introduced a CPU bottleneck then the devs claimed it was AMD's fault and Nvidia hadn't paid them a cent.

Some guy on PCmasterrace took screenshots of over 100 billboards advertising for Nvidia after the devs said Nvidia had not paid them one penny.


The sad part is the billboards are not dynamic (they are always in same locations) meaning they manually put over 100 Nvidia logo's on their tracks.

Nvidia cheats in benchmarks, pays devs to not use open standards and on gameworks games forces AMD/Intel igpu's to use features that they don't allow GPU acceleration on for non nvidia cards bottlenecking their performance.

Remember TressFX vs Hairworks? Even on Nvidia cards TressFX has better performance but Hairworks guts performance for Intel/AMD so Nvidia promotes their Hairworks over the better open standard.

Games like GTA V they don't allow Rockstar to add SMAA but why does NVidia pay devs to not use SMAA? Because its lower resources than TXAA and looks just as good as MSAA but heres the issue it works on any hardware looks great on AMD, Nvidia or Intel.

Nvidia is the worst most evil company in the world and even in the situations they force Nvidia specific technologies their cards underperfom despite having faster processing power they bottleneck their cards intentionally. The 980 has under 220gb/s bandwidth, the 970 under 200gbp/s bandwidth.
 
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