Bungie deletes shield doors and Elephants

[Cheatlancer]

If you read the weekly update, Bungie said they edited Snowbound and Epitaph by removing shield doors. The same has been done to Sandtrap (Removing Elephant).

Now this is all saved on a usermap, right? I was under the impression that you could not remove Shield Doors on epitaph because that would be .map editing...

[Unit N8]

Couldnt you change the coordinates of something without .map modding?

edit: And about that Forge thing... IDK. Maybe with the new update?

[Xpargas]

Well bungie did it, they can do anything

[TurdSnack]

Quote: Originally Posted by Xpargas

Well bungie did it, they can do anything

Yah,I dont get why people think bungie cant do anything to Halo 3.Its thier game so they can technically .map mod,But its not .map modding its just them messing with THIER game (No Flaming its just an explanation)

[uralllame]

I think it was just a case of changing the usermap's shield door co-ordinates. Wehn I read about the "internal use only" map editor... I'm betting that it's sandbox or something.

[miinaturvat]

We should get this usermap and find out exactly what they did.

Just open it up in forge and find the tags for the shield doors...

[Sasquatch 45]

Quote: Originally Posted by uralllame

I think it was just a case of changing the usermap's shield door co-ordinates. Wehn I read about the "internal use only" map editor... I'm betting that it's sandbox or something.

They don't need sandbox...they have their own map editor called Sapien...plus, it's their game..they can just delete the code for whatever they want..

[unknown v2]

Seriously?

Bungie made the game and the maps. They can do anything they want with them, they could remove everything except a mongoose.

The shield doors are not stored in the usermap, so no, we can't delete them. The Elephants are stored in the usermap, although you can't delete them, you can move them to like 10000000000000 Z coord. But deleting them is map editing.

[uralllame]

I have been looking in some usermaps for Snowbound and Epitaph, but I can't find the shield doors. Any ideas? Maybe some "empty" reserved slots have co ordinates, and the Map finds the co-ordinates in the Usermap, and spawns the doors there.

[Eazy B]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sasquatch 45

They don't need sandbox...they have their own map editor called Sapien...plus, it's their game..they can just delete the code for whatever they want..

Sapien isnt a map editor..... its probably just a co ord edit. Get a usermap and i bet i could figure out what they did.

[mxrider]

As I was reading the update I was thinking about this also. I'm actually under the impression that we will have to download all new .map files for these new maps, because the current data available for editing in a usermap doesn't allow for quite what they are saying. The only other option is that the autoupdate that comes with the new maps adds more reserved spawn data to the usermap files on these maps...

[uralllame]

Quote: Originally Posted by mxrider

As I was reading the update I was thinking about this also. I'm actually under the impression that we will have to download all new .map files for these new maps, because the current data available for editing in a usermap doesn't allow for quite what they are saying. The only other option is that the autoupdate that comes with the new maps adds more reserved spawn data to the usermap files on these maps...

That's not a bad theory. not a bad theory at all. I wonder then, assuming that the forge palettes for the selected maps will not be updated (as said in the weekly update), what is going to happen to legitimate Forge maps. If you open up the map with modified shield door co-ordinates in Forge mode, then save it, will the co ordinates revert back to their original ones?

[scopen4]

u never know they might not have do wat u say might only work bungie has a few tricks up their sleeves and being the creator they may have tools for this change

[LXV Grizzly]

Would it be possible to REMOVE the lifts on Construct or would you have to just change the coorinates?

[unknown v2]

Quote: Originally Posted by LXV Grizzly

Would it be possible to REMOVE the lifts on Construct or would you have to just change the coorinates?

None of that. They are part of the map files.

Just to note, just because you can move the guardians, doesn't mean you can move everything else in any map.

[LXV Grizzly]

so i wouldnt even be able to move them?

[unknown v2]

Quote: Originally Posted by LXV Grizzly

so i wouldnt even be able to move them?

No

[LXV Grizzly]

DANG

[snowshredder34]

How do you remove the guardians? Do you just change the coordinates to a really high number? What tags are they?

[DJ Shepherd]

so perty much, i know its NOT downloading maps again, thats just stupid as hell, its prolly just going to be a few patch files or something included in the updated xex to allow more editing
just a regular patch i bet, such as how they add new maps to the main menu, it prolly wouldnt be any different
and quite possibly, i wouldnt doubt that bungie left blank spots in usermaps for editing for just this reason
or maybe the playlist and maps on your cache drive are different than those of usermaps