Host ban is fake. Explained...

[SpEaRs]

My conclusion was that host ban was real, and now I believe that is fake.


A lot of people automatically believe they are banned from host forever.
This is not ture you always have a chance of getting it.



Let me explain a series of events that seem to happen to everyone who’s claimed to be host banned...


1. You have a great connection and you got host a lot.


2. You standby for host, or cheated in a game in ways that it made the connection for others terrible. This creates 1 bad host point against you.


3. You continue to get host and lag others out via standbying, booting, etc… adding more bad host points against you.


4. You sometimes get host and play without standbying or cheating creating a good host point.


5. Bungay takes the average of good host points and divides them by total amount of the number of times you got host. This creates a percentage.
(Example: you got host 8 games, you standbyed 4 games and played legit the other 4 games. This gives you a 50% chance of getting host again.)


6. Only way you would get host after this would be if you played with other people that had a less chance to get it than that of yourself.

Bungie is not fast on updating the average therefore you will have to wait for it to update (week or 2). This explains how you get host a lot before the bad host points kick in, counting against you.

So try to find people that have cheated a lot witch isn’t hard (they will have a worse average than you) and play with them.
Though the likely hood is that some one in the matchmaking game will have a higher average than both of you.

Double Team is the best way to get you average good. Due to the fact you are playing less amount of people, more likely you will find a match in which 2 other players have a history of cheating thus have a worse average than you. (The higher level matches you play, the better, because a lot of people that have high levels have cheated to get them. Therefore they will have ****ty averages increasing your chances of getting host.)

If everyone in the game has the same average, host will be selected how it is normally, so if you never got host before you started standbying for host, you will almost certainly still not get it. (connection speed is a big factor)

Laggy connection as host also counts as a bad host point.

You want your host average to be the best possible so that you can take advantage of host.

I am guessing the average is stored on the xbox from the account that you cheated with, giving all the accounts on the xbox the same average.
The only way to reset the average is to get a new xbox and a new account put on that xbox so that there is not any average.
But if you do get a fresh xbox don’t recover a cheating account because it would recover the old average onto your new xbox…

*IMPORTANT*
If you just get a new Xbox and keep the old gamer tag you mite have gotten fortunate in getting host again, but in a week, it could update your old average on to that new Xbox / Xbox 360 therefore preventing you from hosting again. That’s why I recommend a new gamer tag as well.

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This is another way of getting the idea.

How is Host Decided?

Your xbox has, let's say a number, saying how often you should host. It starts at 10 for example.
If you play a game, that game randomly picks a host, but heavily weighted by your host-number.
If you are host, then the game starts recording how well your connection is to the others, etc.
If you have a good connection on average, your host number starts going up, and you host more.
If you have bad connections, or you start dropping players (caused by bad connections or standbying, ip blocking, etc.), then the number starts going down pretty fast, making it very unlikely you'll host when you play online.

The new network (New Banhammer)- it's completely automated and over time bungie's goal for this update is to almost always pick a good host for every game. Pretty good idea in helping the prevention of cheating.

When you play a custom game and someone with a bad connection is picked as host, just end it and restart it, and there's a chance he won't be host again. (This problem is really common if you host a game with a friend, 1v1, and then you have 14 people join, and it gets very laggy. To fix it, just end the game and start it again. When you restart it, there's a good chance someone who joined has a better connection than you, and he'll be picked as host.)

Also, if for some reason you don't want to have to restart the game, just figure out whose party host (it will be one of the people who were in at the start of the game unless you've already done this) and have them leave and rejoin. When the connection host leaves it picks a new one. (Almost always if there's a blue-screen, and then it says someone left, that person was the connection host and it just picked a new one. Blue screens are also caused by problems with your connection to the host as it tries to reconnect to the host [standbying, laggy connections, and interference cause this one])




All information here was tested... Please ask questions if you still have them.

[DJ Shepherd]

DUDE YES THANKYOU!!!

Only one problem though, why do people call Bungie Bungay? It all started when bridging/modding was terminated, so are you saying you only liked Halo because of cheating? Or your pissed off at the creator of one of the best games for Xbox for making cheating for nubz very hard?

This isn't you specifically, I just hate when people join forums specifically for Halo Haxing, and if they are cheating nubz, they take it out on Bungie instead of themselves...

[SpEaRs]

sorry typo... haha

[SouLJahz]

that sounds about right.. but how does that explain getting booted back to step 1 when you try and standby for host? seems to only happen when one isnt getting host anymore

[SpEaRs]

Quote: Originally Posted by SouLJahz

that sounds about right.. but how does that explain getting booted back to step 1 when you try and standby for host? seems to only happen when one isnt getting host anymore

You cannot standby for host against matched players if there percentage is greater than that of your self. This knocks you back to step 1.

because i trust that you are standbying for host correctly

[HC xHaZaRdx]

no its real cause they ban ur xboxes serial number if ur xbox gets host ban and u get another it wont be ive tried it 3 timesss

[cashmaniac]

well u guys say host ban is fake, but think about this when i circled in dt every1 was host banned and when it went to step 3 it pushed us back 21 times, so we had to find a loser who could get host, so your theory is wrong because when every1 is host abnned a match wont be able to get made im right your wrong :] host ban is real, if yur mad about it go buy a $50 xbox.

[SpEaRs]

Quote: Originally Posted by cashmaniac

well u guys say host ban is fake, but think about this when i circled in dt every1 was host banned and when it went to step 3 it pushed us back 21 times, so we had to find a loser who could get host, so your theory is wrong because when every1 is host abnned a match wont be able to get made im right your wrong :] host ban is real, if yur mad about it go buy a $50 xbox.

this is because the person with the highest percentage is not getting host boxes first.
Though you really dont have a way of finding out who has the highest percentage because the count is hidden.
You cannot prove me wrong, because i dont even know if u know how to circle correctly.

plus believe me or not, i was "host banned" if thats what you want to call it. but playing with other people in double team not cheating i started getting host again. because i was being teamed up against players that have cheated a lot before when i got paired up with levels 28+

[Magicme]

Nice, I do have one question though. I don't play all that often, but when I do I generally standby for host (I play from Australia, so having host is quite nice ), however, when I entered Team Hardcore I got host in 9/10 games.

I had gotten host by standbying maybe 20 or so times earlier that day (any plenty of times for the past few weeks), but I still got host legit during the Team Hardcore games. According to your theory (which I think is a good one) I should have over 40 host points against me, as obviously it is going to be a laggy game for anyone who is not Australian.

Yet, I was still able to get host in 9/10 of these games? My team were all Australians, and some of them have gotten host before and don't cheat at all, so they should have gotten host over me?

I think your idea is on the right track, but I don't see how it explains this? I have a very good connection (one of the best home connections you can get in Australia) and I usually pull host if there are other aussies in the game, but according to this host point idea, I shouldn't be able to?

[SouLJahz]

i too believed i was host banned till i started doing match making a bit and then started to get host again. maybe its all co-incidence or something else i dont know. I believe i read somewher someone bought a new xbox and started getting host again with the same account so that host points theory is probably incorrect

[SpEaRs]

Quote: Originally Posted by Magicme

Nice, I do have one question though. I don't play all that often, but when I do I generally standby for host (I play from Australia, so having host is quite nice ), however, when I entered Team Hardcore I got host in 9/10 games.

I had gotten host by standbying maybe 20 or so times earlier that day (any plenty of times for the past few weeks), but I still got host legit during the Team Hardcore games. According to your theory (which I think is a good one) I should have over 40 host points against me, as obviously it is going to be a laggy game for anyone who is not Australian.

Yet, I was still able to get host in 9/10 of these games? My team were all Australians, and some of them have gotten host before and don't cheat at all, so they should have gotten host over me?

I think your idea is on the right track, but I don't see how it explains this? I have a very good connection (one of the best home connections you can get in Australia) and I usually pull host if there are other aussies in the game, but according to this host point idea, I shouldn't be able to?

To gain a bad host point you must to be creating a lot of lag for the other players. Standbying to obtain host is not creating connection issues for other players, it’s when you receive host and then standby, boot players out, or your connection to the internet is not very good. From your information your connection is very good. I am guessing you play with a lot of people from America, but this does not mean that they are going to lag.
Have you checked the lag bars in a game to see what they are? My guess they would be lower green, upper yellow witch is not bad. Also what level are you in team hardcore? This question is to get a prospect of how bad the cheating would be.

a lot of people standby for host because they never get host, meaning that normally they are not a good host, so when they standby for host they create a lot of lag due to the other factors that decide why a person is getting host (connection being the biggest). this is what i meant when i said "You standby for host, or cheated in a game in ways that it made the connection for others terrible. This creates 1 bad host point against you." A way to find out like i said is to check those bars in the game after you standby for host, none of them should be red for long periods of time, everyone in the game should be able to get a green connection.

Quote: Originally Posted by SouLJahz

i too believed i was host banned till i started doing match making a bit and then started to get host again. maybe its all co-incidence or something else i dont know. I believe i read somewher someone bought a new xbox and started getting host again with the same account so that host points theory is probably incorrect

Perhaps the person that bought the new xbox didn’t have a bad average but bad enough to stop him/her from getting host a lot. Then he/she gets a new xbox and his average compared to some of the first friends he played with was not that bad and he/she got host over them. It’s really lucky plus he’s/she's probably convinced that getting a new xbox is the answer, but I assure you if you recover a cheating account onto a fresh xbox it will have the same host problems. I have tried this before both ways.

Plus did he/she get host a lot again after that?
theres know way to prove it.

all of my evidence was through my personal trial and error.
i just thought typed this out in a way for others to easily understand.

Host ban is not real because getting banned means it is permanent. And by increasing your average you can start getting host again. So how is it permanent?

[knight420]

Ok Everybody knows that if you play with a guest you dont get host Right! It will pick anybody with 1 person on a box over anybody with a guest..EveryTime no matter how good the guest boxs connection is and no matter how ****y the solo box connection is....Every Time----I Have 15 Meg Down and 2.5 Up
and it gives the host to the people with guests on there box, if its just me and a group of three guests and then a group of 4 guests in like team training----No Host for Me it gives the 3 guest box every time.That right there burns your # Theory to pieces becouse Guest Dont get HOST EVER EVER

What is so hard about ther being a host ban for you guys to Believe........I Can play 300 Games upstairs on my banned Box and the go downstairs----to a box thats not host banned----And Get Host every Game Maybe 9 OUT OF 10-----and no I dont have to standbye for It.....15 MEG DOWN 2.5 UP GETS YOU HOST EVERY GAME ANYWAYS..........

[SpEaRs]

Quote: Originally Posted by knight420

Ok Everybody knows that if you play with a guest you dont get host Right!

No I don’t… I don’t consider anyone on this forum but you to believe that.

Quote: Originally Posted by knight420

It will pick anybody with 1 person on a box over anybody with a guest..EveryTime no matter how good the guest boxs connection is and no matter how ****y the solo box connection is....Every Time----I Have 15 Meg Down and 2.5 Up
and it gives the host to the people with guests on there box, if its just me and a group of three guests and then a group of 4 guests in like team training----No Host for Me it gives the 3 guest box every time.

This is because host is not about your connection speed if you have a cheating history. Only way you are going to get host is if you play with someone who has cheated a lot more than yourself. When you have such a bad average it is extremely hard to get host again over other people, and that’s why you say you're host banned, but you still have a chance to get it, so how can you call it host banned?

Quote: Originally Posted by knight420

What is so hard about ther being a host ban for you guys to Believe........I Can play 300 Games upstairs on my banned Box and the go downstairs----to a box thats not host banned----And Get Host every Game Maybe 9 OUT OF 10-----and no I dont have to standbye for It.....15 MEG DOWN 2.5 UP GETS YOU HOST EVERY GAME ANYWAYS..........

That’s great play on the Xbox that’s downstairs then. But the Xbox upstairs still is not host banned, you just got a bad average compared to others you game with.



Any more attempts to debunk my statements above?

[Magicme]

Ahk, I thought you meant that just standbying for host would create a bad host point, as the people who are complaining seem to be ones standbying for host a lot.

I was like, 13 in hardcore at the time? (moved up to 19), but we were playing guys who were in their higher 20's (the rest of my party was about 25).

Yeah the bars are lower green for the American players, so you're right I wouldn't get a bad host point for that.

To the guy above, I have gotten host with guests... I have seen multiple people get host with guests... yeah...

[DrastiK]

host ban is real idiot, i haven't gotten host since i standbyed muddawg up to his 34, i used to get it basically everygame without having to standby

[SpEaRs]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrastiK

host ban is real idiot, i haven't gotten host since i standbyed muddawg up to his 34, i used to get it basically everygame without having to standby

i thought i was hostbanned after i standbyed for host then stanbyed during the game to give me a unfair advantage until i was 32 in double team. later i was host banned because it made since. everyone else is talking about it, and i never get host anymore and stanbying for host does not work anymore, it must be true? Nope because while i was in a game with high level players i got host for the first time though its been a while since i got host, then i played it out legit. i havent been cheating and i am getting it more and more everytime i get it, i just play the game normally when host because i think host advantage is a big one when it comes to certain weapons... BR, ShotGun, Sniper, Etc...
i haven't tried to stanby for host yet since i started getting it again but its because i dont want to stop getting it due to cheating. i want to teach people what i did, and that was playing legit at high levels barely ever getting host for a couple hundred games. what this did was gave me host rarely but enough times to get my average up again so i got host more commonly.

[mtotho]

well... what is the difference if its host "bann" or just you cant get host alot.. the fact is bungie does something that stops you from getting host. Also for some ppl there is no way of getting good points after there "host banned" for example. Someone who is host banned can go into a training game... it can be you, and then 1 person on your team with 2 guess and one person on the other team with 3 guest... you will not get host. Explain how going in with a friend with a crappy connection would give u a better chance of getting host in that training game. Host bann or whatever you call it is real. There is something that somehow stops you from getting host all together. If you guys have been in a game where somebody with guest or host.. you know that in a normal circumstance there is no way they could get host by them selves.. the game is extremely laggy.

AND THERE IS ALOT LESS CHANCE OF GETTING HOST WITH GUEST... especially 2-3 of them.

And the way you'd normally get host doesnt have much to do with your connection.. its your ping to the xbl servers. You can have a crappy connection and ping better... thats why you get crappy hosts sometime. The closer you live to the servers.. in most cases.. the more likely you are to get host.

Assuming the servers are on the west coast this is what happens. I have 2 friends... one lives farther west than the other... and i live the farthest east of all of them. We all have the same ISP but the guy who lives farthest west has the lowest package. the guy who lives in teh middle has a higher package.. and i have the highest. Now the Farthest west guy always gets host over both of us... while im in the party with the middle guy he always gets host over me.

Also... it appears that i can still get host with the same account that was "host banned" when its on my 360. Also other accounts on my xbox cannot get host. There is a chance that it is in effect for the xbox... not particularly the account.

[xNaustic]

Wrong

Don't waste your time making such a big post when it is all just speculation. You cannot backup one things said on there.

Bungies own News Post:
We are going to detect the hosts that are cheating and prevent them from ever getting host again.

I Standbyed for host and played legit from a 1-34 in slayer and 1-20 or so in h2 challenge, no cheating whatsoever, that was in a span of 2 days. That was about 4 weeks ago, my 20mbit connection would of gotten host ONCE by now.

You are obviously just playing on good hosts and thinking that you are getting it, also don't rely on holding back at the beginning of the game, it doesn't always show host, it sometimes manages to show host AND the fastest ping.

Yesterday, I decided to finally go buy the xbox 360 elite, I plugged it in, got my account on it. HOST 4 GAMES IN A ROW WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

The Evidence is overwhelming, 1000+ host banned gamers aren't wrong, the few 50 or so people that are arrogant and can't believe in such a thing are the wrong ones. Why is it SO hard to believe in such a thing as host ban?? Why would Bungie decrease your chance of getting host if you standby for a while??? They use to just ban you for modding straight off, so why on earth would they give standbyers another chance??

[TheRedOctober]

Heres a good experiment, have one guy who thinks he is hostbanned get lots of guests, have another guy who also thinks he is hostbanned, again, with lots of guests, enough to fill 7 spots in a party, then go into Rumble Pit and see if the one extra random person gets host a lot

[CaLL mE nEoN]

This is the only sensible thing I have ever heard.